Woods ball marker vs speed ball marker

[BIGFOOT]

Well guys I have been looking at how to get my BT-4 marker more accurate. The guys with the speed ball guns are walking all over me with there insanely accurate markers!! Whats the difference here? Shooting the same paint, is it just the bore match that is making the difference, or are there some secrets I have missed

I have been told to upgrade my barrel to something like the Lucky barrels, and to add a inline regulator.

What do the guys with the tipmans and woods ball markers think? how do you like your marker for accuracy?

[Memphis]

Hey Kyle,

I encountered the exact same questions about 4 months ago when I was looking for a new gun and wanted an upgrade from my reliable BT 4 that I have been using for years now. I have not cleaned my BT 4 ONCE in the numerous times I have played. It just never fails fails me. From there I gave the X7, Tiberius 9, and Flatline a try then ultimately settled on the BT TM 15 because of my favoritism for the BT 4's reliability.

From hours and hours of trial and error, I can narrow the precision and accuracy of a paintballers shot to the following factors:

Above all else the very first determining factor is the players play style. You cannot put a speed baller on a pump gun nor do the complete opposite and expect that player to strive. You have to ask yourself how you like to make your kills and how well your wallet can handle. Do you like overpowering your opponent with a fully auto and leave it to higher chance shot per hit probability, or do you like holding your breath for that single, clear, defined shot that you bet all your money on which pump players are known for.

Besides that one key deterministic factor, one has to consider the influence of equipment to the following attributes:

1. Quality/ Nature of Paint
2. Paint size to barrel size matching
3. Consistency of your gun
4. Weight and layout of your gun

1. Quality/ Nature of Paint: You simply can't use paint that is crap. By crap I don't necessarily mean the cheapest paint, but the way the paint has been stored and handled. Sometimes you can buy a case of marbelizers that will break like no tomorrow if they were stored the wrong way. Once you get chomping or barrel breaks accuracy and precision is out the window. Some guns are particular to certain paints too. My BT 4 can use any kind of paint without chomping but frostbites just roll right out of the barrel if I point down or paint that has worked beautifully in my Flatline would not work in my Tiberius and vice versa. You should have to get down and dirty with your gun and paint and be a slut about it to find the right combos. Once you get the right combo ..... oh you'll know. The sensation is like seeing the hottest girl and having her smirk back at you.

2. Matching paint sizes DOES increase precision and accuracy but you have to be aware of the limitations. The closer you get the size of the bore to your paint the smaller of the radius of your aiming circle if you hold your gun in the exact same spot when you fire. In my experience I have tried using different barrels and eventually switched to the size matching inserts. The inserts did improve and reduce the area where the balls were landing. We tried this at the Winery on many occasions. However, I know from experience if you fit the inserts exact to the paint, doing full auto becomes a problem because you get jams and the balls get plugged up in the insert due to the tight fit. This come back to your play style essentially in #1. Another benefit to paint matching is that it saves you air.

3. Consistency of your gun- This is clearly noticible between the $140 BT 4 and my $400 tiberius and the TM 15. Shooting them side by side, the air consistency for the cheaper guns is quite unpredictable. You'll occasionally get one or two that doesn't seem to have enough air to fly the projectory that it needs to. An inline regulator would definitely fix this issue. This is not a major problem but can be annoying at times. If you play full auto all the time or rely heavily on a stream of paintballs to make your mark, this would be factor you may want to consider.

4. Weight and layout of your gun- Having a lighter less cubersome gun helps you aim SO MUCH FASTER. This is why the most expensive guns are usually the smallest lightest ones. With that said, the BT TM 15 is a perfect counter example. Even though it is super light, the loader is set up to be RIGHT infront of your freaking face. So you can't really aim with that either, you just have to go by instinct of where your sweet spot is.

In my personal opinion and judging from the people that shoot me the most, the most accurate and precise players are those that use the least amount of paint, (Ahem Mike Tek, and all you pump lackey's out there). In my personal recent experience from paintballing about 2 times a week since June, I get more kills per round when I use a 50 round take hopper versus my automatic loader. So from numbers alone I think it says something.

My best suggestion to you is use what networks and friends you have infront of you right now. Ask the usuals on the forums and games to let you give a field test and comparison test from one product to another. Thats the only way you'll find out what you want. I have to thank Marb, Mike Tek, Tex, Brook, Berry, Atomic, and everyone for helping me when I was trying to decide what I want to narrow down my gear to. They have saved me hundreds of dollars from blindly buying something that was suggested to me without real hands on evidence.

I hope that helps Kyle. Like I said, I have asked the exact question before and there are extensive topics within the forums on every aspect that I have discussed. I just collected it together and summarized it on here.

[bushwacker]

Whatever Memphis said....period.

PS. Cheap paint is cheap for a reason.

[Bruiser]

You don't have to spend lots of money, though. My ION only cost $100 used and it works awesome + an electronic hopper for $60 and you are good to go. It is much more accurate than my Tippman, but that being said I still love my 98, the wait and the sound of it seems more authentic.

I rely on a 3 pull burst when shooting a paintball gun because they are inaccurate. Just take your gun out for practice shooting. I like to do drills with a buddy where we shoot at each other from different ranges, in order to understand my gun's capability. I also use different strategies, like seeing where a player is running, drawing a line of paint in that direction and then watch them run into it That one is fun to do

But don't go out and spend too much money (unless you really want to)!! My first marker was only $40 (Triumph) and to this day I use it as one of my spares. The next time I see you on the field you can give my ION a try.

[Brook240sx]

you do need someone on your team to run alot of paint because it keeps heads down well the rest of your team is booking it up to the best positions.

[TexasJatt]

Wow Memphis you did write a lot.

Kyle,

like i spoke to you yesterday i will let you try few of my guns to decide.

I gave my Ego Origin to Sharat for him to play which is my obvious choice primarily because its sooooooo light, also i only use my .685 inserts for some reasons i am stuck with that number.
My Dangerous Fusion has .691 barrel by default and even with that i can drop a ball and it goes no where its tight.

I was shooting at you with my ION stock barrel on semi auto balls do stick very close you heard them wizz by.

End of the day all depends upon how much you want to spend.

As for paint i don't spend any more than 45-50$ on paint either but very picky on which paint i pick Recsport has been my choice from las t year and has yet to fail me.fingers crossed.

some might think i shoot a lot of paint but i get my kills and have been using 500 ball ration for a day game and normally i still come home with few balls. Me and Mike have taken out a whole bunch by communicating the right time to move and give suppression fire it seems your shooting a lot but its a matter of few balls that gives you edge.

let me know before and i can grab extra guns.

[BIGFOOT]

Thanks for the posts guys! Wow you guys can sure type a lot
I am leaning twards getting a better barrel and some type of regulator.
Yeah tex I will give you gun a try but iam still partial to the miitary styling my bt-4 has!

[TexasJatt]

Originally Posted by BIGFOOT

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I am leaning twards getting a better barrel and some type of regulator.

well if the reg fixes the problem you will enjoy more accuracy i can relate to the mil look i love my X7 primarily for the killer looks.

Speedball guns are like space guns as you say they are light but miss the look on them.

[Brook240sx]

hey you can try my ion it's boath a spead ball gun and a woods ball gun. ill sell it 2 for the right price.

[Bruiser]

Originally Posted by Brook240sx

hey you can try my ion it's boath a spead ball gun and a woods ball gun. ill sell it 2 for the right price.

How much?