Opinions

[604.]

do you guys think this is a good deal?
1. a psychoballistics superbolt. no reg and no asa. but it comes with a 14" bl assassin barrel.
2. a blue trilogy. comes with a cp reg and a on/off asa and a 12" proto barrel.
both markers for $80.
is it a good deal? also would a ccm deluxe pump kit work with the superbolt?



also don. if your reading this. do you have any slider triggers in?

[Tanongi]

Hello 604, this is Don's son, we currently don't have any slider frames to part with.

Which one would I take for $80? I'll explain the cons and pros of both

Superbolt:

Overall these are OKAY guns, but they hardly ever work so either you'll need to buy aftermarket pneumatics and spend a lifetime TRYING to get it timed only for it to leak on you again. Also the Superbolt is made of very low quality aluminum or as I call it "Chinese knock-off crap". Although they are designed after the DYE Ultralight so overall it's a small and light package. Worst part of the entire gun is that it is mini'd, a meh pump kit for around $50 and a high end pump kit for around $140. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-2K-Pump-Kit...item414c233abe) If, and that's a big IF you can get it shooting nice, it will shoot nice. I would only suggest it since it can accept standard 2k+ cocker internals so you can easily upgrade out of the crap it comes with.

Pros
-Lightweight
-Nice barrel
-Flexible with upgrades and modification

Con
-Made of crap material
-Crap pneumatics
-Crap internals
-Crappy consistency of their production standards
-Mini pump kits are expensive
-Doesn't come with a regulator or ASA

Trilogy:

A very simple gun that overall runs very nice. Even though they run at a high pressure out of the box they shoot great with a little bit of adjusting to the velocity. If you want to run it at a lower pressure it'll take a bit of work to the internals but overall they shoot great. A pump kit for one of these is actually very cheap from PMP (http://www.pmpind.com/Products.aspx?CAT=291) and are actually quite nice. As is the Superbolt the Trilogy is made of crappy aluminum but for $80 for either of these guns you can't really ask much.

Pros
-Shoots well in semi out of box
-Regulator is pretty good (Worth $80 brand new)
-Derlin bolts are always a godsend for smoothness
-Pump kits are cheap
-Again, a nice barrel

Cons
-Crap material again
-May be finicky at times
-Only accept Trilogy internals, so you're stuck with what you got

If I'm reading wrong and you mean both for $80 I don't see a reason NOT to buy them, but if it's $80 for one, take the Trilogy. The reg on the Trilogy is worth the $80 brand new so if you part it you could easily fetch $55ish

[604.]

thanks a lot. yeah its $80 for both. i was just mainly interested in buying both markers for the parts. just like you explained, im basically paying for the cp reg. he says theirs a problem with the trilogy. either the spring is worn out or the valve has a leak. im going to ask him if he could sell just the trilogy.

[Flywsi]

Here is some information, parts, and upgrades I suggest for the Superbolt.

Superbolt Information:

-This gun uses a EVO bolt and P-back block, which is shorter then your standard autococker bolt/back block.

-It uses standard autococker internals, not Karnivor or Trilogy internals.(Standard, Karni, and Trilogy internals are all different sizes)

-The Superbolt is actually one of the most milled autococker next to the 2004 WGP Prostock and 2002 WGP Center/Right feed cocker bodies.


Aftermarket Parts:

Gotta remember that the Superbolt uses a mini-front block. There are a few pump kits you can get for it.

-CCM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-2K-Pump-Kit...item414c233abe

-GAT Products
http://www.gatproducts.com/pump.html

There are also alot of aftermarket parts you can acquire, but you may have to buy used for some of this stuff.
-Trigger frames (45's, 86's, 90's) (Slider or hinger triggers)
-Delrin bolts
-Regulators (CP, AKA, Palmers, etc)
-On/offs
-Feednecks
-Barrels (always remember to underbore your barrel-to-paint)

[604.]

thanks a lot for the help. do you guys know when your getting new slider frames? i was thinking, before i buy new markers i should fix up my prostock. its a 2004. only thing on it is a ccm pump kit. i want to upgrade the reg and asa and upgrade the trigger frame.